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what's up everybody thanks for joining

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me Sean Ross your host of witness

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citizen

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looking forward to having a great show

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with you guys we have some great things

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planned we're going to do some UAP news

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and we're gonna do a little what the

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heck is that and we also have a special

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guest so stay tuned for that

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thanks again

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for spending this time with me it does

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I freaking love this story

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uh mainly because I've been wondering

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myself what happened with this Inspector

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General evaluation on UAP and apparently

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uh black fault John Greenwald found out

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that it is still underway so uh Black

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dod's office of the inspector General's

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evaluation on UAP is still underway

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in May 2021 the U.S department of

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defense's Office of the Inspector

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General announced an evaluation into the

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Department's actions concerning

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unidentified aerial phenomena

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otherwise known as UFOs

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this announcement sparked significant

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interest among researchers enthusiasts

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and Skeptics alike

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all eager to understand the U.S

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government's handling of these

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mysterious phenomena

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as of 2023 the investigation remains

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ongoing according to a recent statement

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received by the black fault

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the dod oig is an independent office

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within the Department of Defense tasked

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with preventing and detecting fraud

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waste and abuse within the department it

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also provides oversight and promotes

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accountability across the Department's

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wide range of activities

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in 2021 the office announced an

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evaluation into how the dod has been

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handling matters related to uaps the

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announcement followed the release of

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between U.S military pilots and UAP

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in 2021 is still ongoing

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I'll be sure to keep you in the loop

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once we're closer to the report's

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release she stated in an email

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confirmation that a public report will

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transparency and public awareness

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black book we have some news on the NASA

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data on UAP utilizing information that

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mapping satellites or something

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great information on UAP it's just via

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national reconnaissance office has

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fantastic Road pretending no classified

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anomalous phenomena the agency also will

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conclusion of the meeting

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events in the sky that cannot be

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unidentifiable observations the report

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negotiations with uh Cromer or whatever

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said that uh they'd most likely start

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the UAP news this time around so we will

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placed together John Q black left shows

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black said the tiny craft which he

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measured about eight feet in diameter

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miners in the remote area of Marble

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on which the mysterious ship is reported

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the craft and zoom away

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distance between minor and flying saucer

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measures less than 40 feet so basically

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these two miners uh it's 1953 these two

288
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Miners And there's conflicting reports

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on what they're mining some said that

290
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they were gold miners uh others said I

291
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think it was titanium so

292
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you know but I guess it really doesn't

293
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matter

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the fact is these two guys and it was

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just them

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and they had this claim they called it

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and it was the mind and they claimed

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that they were there

299
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some people say they never saw him take

300
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anything out of there but there there

301
00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:13,019
was a big cave developed and uh one day

302
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these two people reported to a newspaper

303
00:14:22,970 --> 00:14:19,500
um that a flying saucer had come there

304
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twice and had landed in and they saw a

305
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being from it that would just get water

306
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so just an interesting thing to talk

307
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about uh this minor story is interesting

308
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of course obviously every everyone hears

309
00:14:37,190 --> 00:14:34,560
something like this little people find

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saucers it's all Bs

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um

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but these miners had nothing to gain to

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to go to the media and claim they saw

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two flank saucers they saw it first on

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May 20th then they saw it again on June

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20th and they assumed that they were

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going to see it again on July 20th so

318
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guess what other people showed up

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they wanted to see a flying saucer and

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beings why wouldn't you I'll show up

321
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July 30th right turns out

322
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the Flying Saucer didn't show up so

323
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there is a part of these beings that

324
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sees seems like they're just like

325
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teasing or screwing with people or just

326
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straight up lying or

327
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um

328
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you know and other people would just

329
00:15:21,769 --> 00:15:20,040
might be making up their stories and

330
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there's probably a myriad of different

331
00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:25,620
reasons why the beings never show up but

332
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um

333
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yeah interesting story so Gets Drop on

334
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them but I got the drop on him last

335
00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:34,079
Saturday black exclaimed

336
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he was armed with only a fishing pole

337
00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:38,339
I'd been fishing on Jordan Creek had six

338
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fish and it was soon to get dark so I'd

339
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:43,139
quit fishing and was on my way back to

340
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camp

341
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came on down Jordan and when I reached

342
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the junction with Marble Creek spotted

343
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the flag saucer sitting on a big Flat

344
00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:53,220
Rock not more than 40 feet across a

345
00:15:57,410 --> 00:15:55,260
Creek from me

346
00:15:59,449 --> 00:15:57,420
the flank saucer which he likened to two

347
00:16:01,910 --> 00:15:59,459
soup bowls placed together one upside

348
00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:01,920
down was standing on a single post-like

349
00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:04,500
leg with a two foot base similar to a

350
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floor lamp just a few feet from the

351
00:16:12,110 --> 00:16:09,240
water's edge at the edge of the stream I

352
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:12,120
spied a small broad-shouldered man with

353
00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:14,880
a shiny pail he was filling it with

354
00:16:20,449 --> 00:16:17,760
water I stepped on a dry twig and its

355
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,459
snap attracted the little man to me as

356
00:16:26,509 --> 00:16:23,040
soon as he saw me he scooted back into

357
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the ship with the pail full of water

358
00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:28,620
and in an instant his feet were inside

359
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the ship took off retracting its Landing

360
00:16:36,889 --> 00:16:34,620
post and platform as it zoomed away

361
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:36,899
we asked if he had any idea as to the

362
00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:39,839
ship speed Man how he got out there I

363
00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:41,759
never seen anything like it faster than

364
00:16:46,189 --> 00:16:44,399
any jet I ever saw there's quite a

365
00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:46,199
hissing sound as he threaded his way

366
00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:48,120
through the openings in a

367
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100 foot high trees at an angle at about

368
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:53,940
45 degrees there wasn't any exhaust or

369
00:16:59,389 --> 00:16:56,399
smoke black pointed out nor did he note

370
00:17:01,850 --> 00:16:59,399
any exterior moving parts to the object

371
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I'm a machinist by trade and it don't

372
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,040
take me long to take in things like that

373
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:07,439
black gave a minutely detailed account

374
00:17:12,350 --> 00:17:10,079
of the little man's appearance

375
00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:12,360
he was four to four and a half foot tall

376
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:14,339
and I judged him to weigh about 110

377
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:16,799
pounds he was powerfully built about the

378
00:17:20,929 --> 00:17:18,720
shoulders but he wasn't out of normal

379
00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:20,939
proportions in any respect just like

380
00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:24,120
he'd take one of us and make us a [\h__\h]

381
00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:26,220
he was a white man with black hair and a

382
00:17:30,890 --> 00:17:28,500
closely shaved face his clothing which

383
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:30,900
appeared to be a uniform was a two-piece

384
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forest green suit the jacket fell just

385
00:17:38,029 --> 00:17:36,059
below his hips it sleeves in the

386
00:17:39,650 --> 00:17:38,039
trousers appeared to have cuffs knitted

387
00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:39,660
right into the material he had on his

388
00:17:44,450 --> 00:17:42,059
short build cap a shirt and a small

389
00:17:46,669 --> 00:17:44,460
ribbon bow tie

390
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of all the same forest green material

391
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,200
The Miner was particularly impressed

392
00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:50,880
over the fact that the spaceman's

393
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:53,160
clothing had seams that ran around the

394
00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:55,440
garments rather than up and down as is

395
00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:57,660
the case with our clothing

396
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,820
and he was emphatic in his description

397
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:01,919
of the little man's foot gear then

398
00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:03,840
American-made shoes

399
00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:05,820
I've never seen anything like them in my

400
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,620
life they were dull black in color and

401
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:10,320
had extremely thin soles the full length

402
00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:11,520
of the foot

403
00:18:17,690 --> 00:18:12,910
no heel

404
00:18:23,570 --> 00:18:20,690
and apparently were pull on knee-length

405
00:18:26,810 --> 00:18:23,580
slippers or boots they look to be very

406
00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,820
thin and pliable I saw them up to above

407
00:18:31,370 --> 00:18:29,280
his ankles when he got into the ship

408
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,380
he added that above the ankles they were

409
00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:33,360
hidden by the trouser legs but he judged

410
00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:35,820
that they must have been knee length

411
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:38,880
and he must have super sensitive ears

412
00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:41,520
black put in to hear the snap of a small

413
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,860
twig over the Roar of two streams coming

414
00:18:48,590 --> 00:18:45,840
together

415
00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:48,600
only feature unlike ourselves is

416
00:18:55,490 --> 00:18:51,240
he noted about the man's face was

417
00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:59,930
interesting

418
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:01,909
think he'll return

419
00:19:06,409 --> 00:19:04,559
both men expressed urgent desires to

420
00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:06,419
capture the Flying Saucer and his Pilot

421
00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:08,580
if another Landing is made on their

422
00:19:12,289 --> 00:19:11,100
claim they both hold strongly to the

423
00:19:14,090 --> 00:19:12,299
belief that the pattern already

424
00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:14,100
established indicates the craft will

425
00:19:17,930 --> 00:19:15,660
return along

426
00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:17,940
about July 20th

427
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:20,340
anyway after the first wave of July

428
00:19:26,510 --> 00:19:23,760
we're really going to be loaded for bear

429
00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:26,520
black promised recalling the account of

430
00:19:30,650 --> 00:19:28,440
a would-be captor being felt by a

431
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,660
paralyzing Ray from a gun of the

432
00:19:34,850 --> 00:19:32,640
intended captive flank saucer Skipper

433
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,860
Van Allen declared that we're going to

434
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,200
split up so we can't get more than one

435
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:39,600
of us if he pulls a ray gun we ought to

436
00:19:45,049 --> 00:19:41,880
get him easy

437
00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:45,059
they both plan only to Wing the man and

438
00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:47,220
capture him alive remembering his

439
00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:49,380
powerfully built shoulders I suggested

440
00:19:54,110 --> 00:19:51,480
he might put up quite a struggle found

441
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,120
Allen whose nickname is Tiny mainly

442
00:19:59,390 --> 00:19:57,120
because he have some mean 280 pounds and

443
00:20:02,750 --> 00:19:59,400
wears a size 20 collar admitted the

444
00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:02,760
little fellow might give me a tussle

445
00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:06,299
but he'll feel like a mule hit him

446
00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:08,340
the miners have been partners for the

447
00:20:15,370 --> 00:20:10,740
past five years and have operated in

448
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:17,630
interesting that this Miner actually

449
00:20:22,010 --> 00:20:20,880
wound up asking the sheriff if he could

450
00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,020
shoot

451
00:20:26,330 --> 00:20:24,600
at the being

452
00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:26,340
if he could get permission to do that

453
00:20:31,610 --> 00:20:28,380
which the sheriff said that he couldn't

454
00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:31,620
give him permission to shoot anything or

455
00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:33,179
anyone

456
00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:35,580
so so this is kind of like a follow-up

457
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:38,820
to the story that another newspaper did

458
00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:40,740
that I thought was pretty good because

459
00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:43,320
it kind of gives you some insight minor

460
00:20:48,860 --> 00:20:52,190
editor's note

461
00:20:56,450 --> 00:20:54,710
yesterday the Mercury broke a story of

462
00:20:58,850 --> 00:20:56,460
two miners who claim to have seen a

463
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,860
flying saucer land on their claims which

464
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:00,480
lies at the junction of marble and

465
00:21:04,850 --> 00:21:02,580
Jordan Creeks some eight miles north

466
00:21:06,350 --> 00:21:04,860
east of Brush Creek star and Rain story

467
00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:06,360
which was carried to most of the

468
00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:08,520
nation's newspapers by press Association

469
00:21:13,789 --> 00:21:11,160
wires was based on reports made by the

470
00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:13,799
miners to Mrs belker operator of Brush

471
00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:15,900
Creek store and service station into

472
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:17,820
Captain Fred Preston of the Butte County

473
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:20,400
Sheriff's Department in complying with

474
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:22,500
the Mercury's policy of accuracy and

475
00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:24,000
thoroughness in covering all the news

476
00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:26,460
reporter basil Benedict and cameraman

477
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:29,460
Dan Bibi Jr were sent to the scene on

478
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:31,620
the spot photographs and interviews with

479
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:33,960
the two miners some of yesterday's

480
00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:35,940
information proved erroneous but

481
00:21:42,649 --> 00:21:38,280
basically our first story was factual

482
00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:48,049
by basil Benedict Mercury staff reporter

483
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:51,140
I swear to God I saw a flying saucer

484
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,480
those words uttered by John Q frequency

485
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:55,919
black

486
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,020
and corroborated by his partner John Van

487
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,200
Allen two Butte County Prospectors were

488
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,360
working a claim located a marble in

489
00:22:09,169 --> 00:22:05,760
Jordan Creeks keep ringing through my

490
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:09,179
mind I like most everyone else have read

491
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:11,159
numerous accounts of others about the

492
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:12,900
country who claim

493
00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:16,080
to have seen flying saucers

494
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:18,059
now I'm directly confronted with the

495
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:20,100
decision on the credulity of such

496
00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:21,120
stories

497
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,580
and frankly after my interview with

498
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:26,100
black and Van Allen I confess

499
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,169
for the life of me I can't arrive at a

500
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,520
single feasible reason why these miners

501
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:38,039
should attempt to perpetrate a hoax upon

502
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,000
me

503
00:22:42,770 --> 00:22:40,559
the Mercury

504
00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:42,780
and the public

505
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:45,480
they have absolutely nothing to gain by

506
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,220
such

507
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:50,400
neither is a publicity Seeker

508
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:52,860
the sobriety of both is attested to by

509
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:54,299
their neighbors

510
00:23:00,409 --> 00:22:55,980
and certainly neither is given to

511
00:23:00,419 --> 00:23:04,909
twinges of doubt

512
00:23:11,210 --> 00:23:08,450
just as their sincerity frankness and

513
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:11,220
honesty impress us that their story is

514
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:12,840
to be accredited

515
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:15,480
so does their newspaper bread

516
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,020
doubting Thomas or seeing his believing

517
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:21,659
attitude at the same time make us feel

518
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,200
twinnest of doubt about the whole thing

519
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:27,600
so rather than come out definitely and

520
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,570
and one of them landed recently in Butte

521
00:23:39,289 --> 00:23:37,200
County

522
00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:39,299
I'm resorting to passing the buck and

523
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:42,299
letting you the reader theorize on the

524
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,830
I saw a flying saucer I know everybody's

525
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,640
going to think I'm crazy but it's the

526
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:52,080
goddamn truth

527
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:54,840
black exclaimed when asked about his

528
00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:57,900
report on the mysterious spaceship

529
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:00,419
I saw five times then the miner related

530
00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:02,520
that he had seen the ship a tiny craft

531
00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:04,380
about four feet thick in the center

532
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:06,659
tapering to thin edges in approximately

533
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:08,760
eight feet in diameter on two different

534
00:24:13,549 --> 00:24:12,059
instances on his Van Allen's mining

535
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,559
claim

536
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,600
three other times he added I saw the

537
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:17,460
thing in the air flying along the

538
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,280
hillside east of Marble Creek across the

539
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,320
Canyon from our camp here

540
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:24,240
the first time was in the latter part of

541
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:27,059
March and made a flash across the sky in

542
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:35,270
black and Van Allen moved into their

543
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,620
mining camp the day after April Fool's

544
00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:40,080
Day and since then twice have seen

545
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,419
similar flashes along the Ridge across

546
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,679
the canyon

547
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:46,559
on May 20th at 6 30 PM black stumbled

548
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:49,140
onto the tiny craft at its Landing field

549
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,000
on the mining plane

550
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,340
last Saturday June 20

551
00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:56,100
and also at 6 30

552
00:25:01,549 --> 00:24:58,740
black again saw the weird craft at the

553
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:01,559
same spot this time he claims to have

554
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:05,520
seen the ship's pilot

555
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,520
on May 20th at 6 30 PM black stumbled

556
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,919
onto the tiny craft at its Landing field

557
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:13,200
on the mining claim

558
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:16,740
last Saturday June 20 and also at 6 30

559
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,559
PM black again saw the weird craft at

560
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:22,080
the same spot this time he claims to

561
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:27,830
scarce pilot

562
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:30,419
the first time May 20 The Miner was

563
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,279
attracted to the scene by the odors of

564
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:34,559
burning Pinewood I thought maybe a fire

565
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:36,419
had broken out and I heard to

566
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:37,559
investigate

567
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,260
I claimed upon a big rock right at the

568
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:42,480
junction of marble and Jordan Creeks to

569
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,700
look for the fire and wasn't exactly

570
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:46,559
quiet

571
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:49,020
he the flank's Oscar pilot heard me

572
00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:50,820
approach and when I reached the top of

573
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:54,299
the big rock he was taken off

574
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,220
his investigation of the scene revealed

575
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:58,320
that the ship's pilot had had a fire

576
00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:59,820
burning

577
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:01,740
but apparently upon hearing Black's

578
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:09,830
so while I'm researching uh Joseph long

579
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,120
that's the person I was researching that

580
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:15,600
had a close contact in 1957 I see this

581
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,240
article that says Unknown man is

582
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,120
identified an unknown man who dropped

583
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,460
dead at the veterans hospital in Reno

584
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:25,679
Monday has been identified as an

585
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:28,260
Oroville California minor who reported

586
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:31,620
citing flying saucers in that area five

587
00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:33,960
years ago

588
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:36,500
hmm

589
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:40,559
John J Van Allen 63 was identified

590
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:42,900
Friday by Washoe County sheriff's

591
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,960
deputies until Friday he was listed as

592
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:48,000
an unknown

593
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:51,299
a man of about 340 pounds in weight and

594
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,340
Alan dropped dead at the hospital

595
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:55,919
reception desk Monday while applying for

596
00:27:00,490 --> 00:26:57,659
admittance

597
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,500
wow can you imagine that

598
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:02,520
you know you got to go to the hospital

599
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:05,159
you finally get there and that's when

600
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,880
you die talk about terrible timing

601
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:11,520
a broadcast of his description produced

602
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:13,380
a teletype from the Butte County Sheriff

603
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:15,779
at Oroville which identified him he was

604
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:17,820
the mining partner of John Black

605
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:20,760
the pair had a titanium mine at Marble

606
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,159
Creek Canyon near Oroville

607
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,380
five years ago they said a little man in

608
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:26,880
a flying saucer had made repeated

609
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,580
Landings in the canyon on the 20th day

610
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:31,440
of each month photographers and

611
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:34,020
reporters joined a crowd of about 100

612
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:37,020
Spectators but the saucer never showed

613
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:39,240
up again

614
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,980
so just so you know the original part

615
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:43,200
said about like I think it was like 25

616
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:45,000
or 30 people

617
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:48,299
Mr Van Allen was born in Minnesota and

618
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:51,240
served overseas in World War one he

619
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,220
survived by a nephew

620
00:27:59,950 --> 00:27:56,640
Arthur Van Allen of San Francisco

621
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:02,649
so this is

622
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:05,940
1957. the story

623
00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:09,900
the minor story was 1953.

624
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,799
so here I am looking up Joseph long 1957

625
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:17,039
in the newspaper archives and I find

626
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:21,360
this article about a guy that dropped

627
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,100
dead

628
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:26,220
was the guy that saw flag saucers five

629
00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:28,020
years earlier so thanks for doing this

630
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:30,659
man I appreciate it yeah hey anytime

631
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:32,340
honey you stay

632
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:34,620
um engaged with your podcast how do you

633
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:37,080
how do you keep it fresh how do you you

634
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:38,820
know stay motivated

635
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,460
I mean the way I stay motivated and the

636
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:43,679
way I've always looked at it is that

637
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:46,980
whether these were interviews in private

638
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,659
or not these are conversations I'm

639
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:50,580
having so why not just put them on the

640
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,159
Internet is kind of my thing you know

641
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:54,960
and if people get anything from them

642
00:29:00,049 --> 00:28:57,480
great if they don't then it you know so

643
00:29:02,029 --> 00:29:00,059
be it and I think that's how I still

644
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:02,039
look at it is that these are just

645
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,720
conversations I'm having because I want

646
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:06,000
to have them and and people can watch

647
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:07,740
them if they want and that's it it's

648
00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:10,860
very simple but at the same time it does

649
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,900
get to a point where

650
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:14,640
there's only so many people you can

651
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,940
speak to you know I'm very lucky now to

652
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:20,279
have Katie on board and she can help me

653
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,960
expand the conversation because of some

654
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:24,840
sure the areas that she's really into

655
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,700
and you know it's kind of a little bit

656
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:29,279
outside of my comfort zone but I'm not

657
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,600
afraid to kind of

658
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:33,179
learn and indulge a little bit further

659
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,039
afield so that's kind of what we're

660
00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:36,960
doing a bit at the moment but

661
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:39,059
we'll see you're not afraid to get a

662
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:41,460
little woo sometimes huh absolutely not

663
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,940
man good good good yeah I feel like we

664
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,559
need that sometimes if we're gonna talk

665
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,260
about uh you know the mystery and the

666
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,600
phenomenon and everything

667
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,460
um you know

668
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:55,620
talking about things that you see in the

669
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,419
sky or Pilot reports or everything I

670
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:58,799
think those are super intriguing and

671
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,899
they get people interested

672
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,940
um but for me the real mystery is like

673
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:05,760
what is it what are the intentions what

674
00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:10,080
does it want why for so long has it been

675
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:12,179
so mysterious you know it's interesting

676
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,340
because I would love to do a

677
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:15,840
a boots on the ground type of

678
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:19,080
investigation myself but

679
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:23,520
you know I'm just a lazy SOB but you you

680
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:25,980
strap up the boots in uh you go to

681
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,380
Columbia you did a whole season there so

682
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,760
you got a season one I thought it was

683
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,919
fantastic you saw your first like

684
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:34,799
unidentified thing out there in the

685
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:37,080
mountain I thought that was pretty cool

686
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:39,480
um and you just got done doing season

687
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,659
two so are you excited about season two

688
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:44,580
what are the

689
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,220
um you know what did you learn on top of

690
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:49,620
what you learned last time

691
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:52,020
um and anything you want to leak before

692
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:54,659
it airs would be great too

693
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,960
no I appreciate it the kind words I

694
00:31:02,269 --> 00:31:00,480
think I'd like to start off by just like

695
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:02,279
laying out a bit of clarity here because

696
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:05,340
what we did in Colombia is part of

697
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:07,740
something called project wiker this is a

698
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,340
a proper investigation phenomenology is

699
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:14,100
the documentary series based on project

700
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,640
wiker and the raw footage of the lights

701
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:19,500
we captured in season one is available

702
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:21,840
for free on the internet for anybody to

703
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:24,419
go and grab the raw files and analyze

704
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,179
them so you know we're not charging for

705
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:29,640
data what we're charging for is a

706
00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:31,559
separate thing and and that's part of

707
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:33,720
this is the season one of the

708
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,059
documentary series that's made by a

709
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:38,700
professional filmmaker and yeah it looks

710
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:41,760
beautiful it's kind of a side thing to

711
00:31:45,850 --> 00:31:44,460
to the project you know so

712
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:45,860
I think

713
00:31:51,889 --> 00:31:49,740
actual project of what we're trying to

714
00:31:53,529 --> 00:31:51,899
achieve has gone under the radar a

715
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,539
little bit and you know it's

716
00:31:59,210 --> 00:31:56,880
overshadowed by a documentary series but

717
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,220
but it's kind of two in one as it were

718
00:32:03,549 --> 00:32:01,799
so so season two

719
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:03,559
I mean season one ended with that

720
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,880
anomalous lights that we filmed I mean

721
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:07,500
the

722
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:13,380
scientific work on it as non-scientists

723
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:15,659
try and take out some equipment or or

724
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:18,059
something to do some experiments let's

725
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:20,760
see if we can recreate those lights

726
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:23,100
so of course that was naturally the

727
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:24,419
first thing that we wanted to do in

728
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:27,179
season two was get some some people on

729
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,460
that mountain in the dark at night time

730
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,919
at the similar spots to where those

731
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,720
lights were seen and see if we can

732
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,880
actually recreate that so then we can

733
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:38,220
kind of tell whether could this have

734
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:39,779
been hikers on the mountain just

735
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:42,179
flashing lights and we just completely

736
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,559
got caught up in the moment and thought

737
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:45,419
it was anomalous well we did those

738
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:48,860
experiments and the results are pretty

739
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:51,980
fascinating I'll say that much for sure

740
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:54,299
they were really interesting you know we

741
00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:55,740
had and we had the equipment we had

742
00:33:02,090 --> 00:32:58,380
drones we had a night vision infrared

743
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:02,100
drones and we were able to to test a lot

744
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,600
of things and it was a really good

745
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:05,760
feeling to be able to sort of progress

746
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:10,559
the investigation right uh well do you

747
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:12,779
do you still think that you saw

748
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:15,059
something anomalous we can't work out

749
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:17,220
what it is I think that's going to take

750
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,360
more work

751
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,159
uh whether it's

752
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:22,860
something truly anomalous and I mean by

753
00:33:27,490 --> 00:33:25,019
that I mean something

754
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:27,500
non-human or something

755
00:33:33,169 --> 00:33:30,059
inter-dimensional you know nothing's

756
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:33,179
taken off the table just yet I still

757
00:33:38,649 --> 00:33:36,120
think deep down in my mind that it's

758
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:38,659
some kind of geological

759
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:42,480
effect of the seasons of the the

760
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:45,059
location the geography the geology all

761
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:47,340
of that you know and that I'm not an

762
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:49,860
expert in that but that's what I think

763
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,720
it is and again this is why we're just

764
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:54,059
going to keep continuing doing different

765
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:55,980
types of work and experiments to try and

766
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:58,380
get to the bottom of it right you're a

767
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:01,380
busy guy dude you have this podcast you

768
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:03,779
do the documentary

769
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:07,019
um and you do other like conventions you

770
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:08,940
speak at conventions

771
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,619
um it's some in Europe some actually

772
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,480
here in the United States you're about

773
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,159
to do one

774
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:16,320
um and you're hosting one now called the

775
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:19,139
echo event over on your side of the

776
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,060
water with some pretty great guests you

777
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,879
have Chris melon Dr Avi Loeb uh Dr

778
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:25,919
Jacques valet you just did an interview

779
00:34:30,589 --> 00:34:29,040
on your channel uh with Dr Loeb so

780
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,599
everybody should check that out for sure

781
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:33,119
where they kind of discuss uh this a

782
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:35,159
little bit but tell me how this came

783
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,560
about how did you become the host is it

784
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:38,879
something you're excited about and what

785
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,859
are you hoping to get out of it I mean

786
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:42,960
obviously I'm super excited to be able

787
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:45,060
to be in such a position to

788
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,399
not only attend such an event but be the

789
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:49,200
host of it it's not something I really

790
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,580
thought would happen and it's actually

791
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:52,320
quite a funny story about how it came

792
00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:53,280
about

793
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:00,540
um Dr David Clark was approached by

794
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,420
Howard Hughes to do an update on the

795
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,000
Calvin investigation but David being

796
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:08,400
busy he kind of asked if any of the

797
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:09,720
other members of the the small team

798
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:11,400
would be up for doing it and of course I

799
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:13,560
said yeah I'm happy to do it it's a 10

800
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,420
minute slot um and it'd be great to

801
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:17,760
speak to Howard so so I did it I did

802
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:19,320
this this little 10 minute slot with

803
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:21,660
Howard on the update of Calvin and

804
00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:23,220
within a couple of days I just had an

805
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:24,119
email

806
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,780
in my inbox from the the people from

807
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:29,820
Echo just saying oh would you be

808
00:35:34,190 --> 00:35:31,800
interested in attending this event I was

809
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:34,200
like absolutely yeah of course it's you

810
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,520
know like you say it's this side of the

811
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,400
pond it's Paris from here isn't actually

812
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:41,280
that far so I was just yeah okay and

813
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:43,740
they said oh let's set up a zoom call so

814
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,960
yeah probably a week later I jumped on a

815
00:35:50,329 --> 00:35:48,000
zoom call and literally within the first

816
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,339
five minutes it went from are you

817
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:51,839
interested in attending this event too

818
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,820
are you interested in hosting this event

819
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:55,440
and of course

820
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:57,960
I was shocked really shocked to be

821
00:36:01,790 --> 00:35:59,579
honest because you know it's a big deal

822
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:01,800
and but I was I said yes of course

823
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:03,960
straight away you know this is the this

824
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,300
is not your your typical conference it's

825
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:08,460
definitely a lot more science based and

826
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:10,980
there's a lot of interesting you know

827
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,020
ufologists and scientists from France

828
00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:15,780
going to be involved and it's about time

829
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,460
the conversation was spread a little bit

830
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:19,920
further afield so so yeah I'm all in I

831
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:22,440
can't wait it's just super exciting yeah

832
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:25,079
and you're in Paris France I mean you

833
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:26,760
could ask me to work at a hot dog stand

834
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:29,400
for you know eight hours a day I would

835
00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:32,520
if it got me to Paris France so sure no

836
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:34,619
no that's fantastic I'm I mean you've

837
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:36,780
been growing you've grown so much since

838
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:39,660
I first started doing this which is a

839
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:41,339
couple of years now you know and the

840
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:43,619
time really flies but it's amazing to

841
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,200
see you flourish and do things and you

842
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:48,359
know do it with integrity and kindness

843
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:51,240
and and never be the the source of drama

844
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:53,820
or negativity online you're always you

845
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,280
know promoting positivity putting in

846
00:37:00,829 --> 00:36:58,320
hard work and I really appreciate that

847
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:00,839
so what do you

848
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,820
um see in your future what are some of

849
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:04,320
your goals what would you like to see

850
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,020
out of out of your work in the field

851
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,359
that's a really good question

852
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:11,760
um I think about it quite often and a

853
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,140
lot of like you said everything's

854
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,640
happened in these last two years it's

855
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,520
just it's flown by I didn't think I'd

856
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:19,440
even be where I'm at now because I don't

857
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,020
stop and think or plan these things I

858
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:23,760
just keep doing what I do and working

859
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:26,579
and opportunities seem to arise and I I

860
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:28,260
grasped them with both hands it's

861
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:31,320
humbling to be able to to be involved in

862
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:32,820
so much because at the end of the day I

863
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,619
just want to keep the conversation going

864
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:37,320
I want to I want to go to conferences to

865
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,500
have the conversation it's not about

866
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:41,940
making money or watching speakers

867
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,320
necessarily it's just about meeting

868
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:45,300
members of the public that I wouldn't I

869
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,359
can't meet really sure where I live it's

870
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:50,160
very secluded I don't have the

871
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,220
conversations at all so it's just about

872
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:55,680
talking and spreading the message so I

873
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,060
think that's the kind of thing I'll

874
00:38:01,790 --> 00:37:59,280
continue to do is is go to conferences

875
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,800
and whether I'm on the bill talking or

876
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:04,560
just hanging out I love doing it and

877
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:05,940
then of course

878
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:09,180
project biker in Colombia is going into

879
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:11,700
season three in 2024 that's already been

880
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:15,060
decided and I think with some of the

881
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,099
plans that I have for for my YouTube

882
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:19,920
channel I think what will happen

883
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:22,800
probably towards the end of 2023 is that

884
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,560
I'll be hitting the road a bit more to

885
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,780
make videos within the UK whether that

886
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:30,240
be meeting other researchers or

887
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:32,820
famous locations that's kind of the plan

888
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,460
to expand the channel and not stop the

889
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:37,440
interviews but kind of break out into a

890
00:38:42,170 --> 00:38:40,200
different format sure sure yeah you got

891
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,180
to switch it up a little bit I mean and

892
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:45,119
it helps uh as a host like if you get to

893
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:47,220
expand and be a little creative and and

894
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:48,480
do different things that keeps you

895
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:51,480
engaged completely you know so and I

896
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:53,220
support you and you always do group good

897
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,760
tasteful work and I have a great UFO

898
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,280
photograph that you can follow up on for

899
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,619
your show that was taken not too far

900
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:03,839
from you so that's amazing it would be

901
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:09,770
um so what are a couple of the who are a

902
00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:10,680
couple of the guests that you have

903
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:13,079
coming up on your uh show that you're

904
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:14,579
excited about

905
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,380
so as I mentioned before we're kind of

906
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:18,839
trying to expand the conversation out a

907
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:20,520
little bit from the kind of regular big

908
00:39:26,089 --> 00:39:23,220
names that we all love to hear from and

909
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:26,099
we see going on multiple podcasts but

910
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:27,780
this week I've actually got Alan

911
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:31,020
Greenfield who uh wrote the book The

912
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:33,180
Secret Cipher of the euphonauts um

913
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:34,619
featured in the documentary series

914
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,260
earlier so we're going to be talking to

915
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,560
Alan totally fascinating guy a new you

916
00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:42,240
know he's been I think he was named

917
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,859
ufologist of the year a couple of times

918
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,720
in the 70s

919
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:48,240
so you know there's a lot of decades and

920
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:50,099
areas that he's been involved in that we

921
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:52,260
can talk to him about so Katie and I are

922
00:39:55,609 --> 00:39:53,820
definitely looking forward to that and

923
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:55,619
then following that the week after we've

924
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:59,339
got Geraldine Sutton now she's the the

925
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:00,839
daughter of the gentleman who was

926
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:03,180
involved in the 1955 Hopkinsville

927
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:04,740
goblins case

928
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:07,980
so yeah again something a bit different

929
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:10,320
but yeah this is this is the whole thing

930
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:12,000
of expanding the conversation and

931
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,859
looking at some of the cases that maybe

932
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:15,780
get a little bit forgotten with time and

933
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,420
sure so yeah you know what you know I

934
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:20,160
love that so

935
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:24,420
um let me ask you uh about your opinion

936
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:25,619
on

937
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:28,140
these Senate hearings and where you

938
00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:31,260
think we're going from here I know you

939
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,000
have some inside sources what do you

940
00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:35,040
hear are people happy are they upset or

941
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,339
do they even care what's the word

942
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,079
it's going a little bit quiet this last

943
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:42,480
week or two to be honest I think you

944
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,500
know

945
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:45,780
any kind of hearings is a positive step

946
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,140
forward all in all it depends but then

947
00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:50,640
you know then you can break it down is

948
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:52,280
are we going to hear from

949
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,060
people more open to sort of bringing

950
00:41:02,510 --> 00:40:59,760
more information out to the public so

951
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:02,520
bridging that gap between the people in

952
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:03,960
the know behind closed doors in the

953
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:06,119
Pentagon and the dod and the general

954
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:07,980
public are we going to start closing

955
00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:10,859
that Gap or not so I like to remain

956
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:13,560
positive I keep my expectations low at

957
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:14,820
the same time

958
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,820
so yeah we'll see you know it's it's we

959
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:19,920
get into the middle of May the the word

960
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:21,660
on the street let's say is that these

961
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:23,099
these hearings are going to happen in

962
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:25,260
June so hopefully we get some

963
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:27,300
announcement in the coming weeks so yeah

964
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,380
we'll see

965
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:30,480
well there's a lot just so much talk

966
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:32,820
whether it's uh James Fox for US Cold

967
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,940
Heart uh Gary Nolan whoever

968
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:37,920
um you know Sean kirpatrick supposedly

969
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:41,720
has all the information that he needs to

970
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:44,400
verify some of these you know reverse

971
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,740
engineering programs or or materials

972
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:49,680
made by I don't know non-human

973
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,900
intelligence I suppose

974
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:53,640
um what do you

975
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,619
what do you think that's going to turn

976
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:57,900
into do you think that will turn into a

977
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:00,300
Sean kirpatrick investigating

978
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,480
somehow into disclosing to the public do

979
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:05,880
you see Kirkpatrick trying to bury it

980
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:07,859
what's your take on that because it's

981
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:10,380
pretty intense right now all the all the

982
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:12,540
rumors and gossip I would have to say

983
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:16,140
yeah I I like to be a bit more careful

984
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,820
with those kind of speculative thoughts

985
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:19,740
because you know I've I've been lucky

986
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:21,000
enough to speak to people who have

987
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,680
worked directly with Sean Kirkpatrick

988
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:24,839
you know he's a scientist doing the

989
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,460
scientific method do I think he's

990
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:29,040
purposely gatekeeping information not at

991
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:31,079
this point you know and I'm not being an

992
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:33,300
apologist for him but

993
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,820
I I think there's more there's more

994
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:37,680
complications in that in the arrow

995
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,020
office than we kind of assume publicly I

996
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:41,520
don't think it's a clear-cut case of

997
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:43,800
information is simply being withheld by

998
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:45,300
Dr Kirkpatrick I think there's a lot

999
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:48,060
more Nuance to it and so yeah I'm not

1000
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,260
gonna

1001
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,720
throw shade on him or anything else what

1002
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,520
I would like to see is for the office to

1003
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,920
just completely be abolished and get a

1004
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,900
new office based under the executive

1005
00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,240
branch which was talked about a month or

1006
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:02,220
two ago you know where it just bypasses

1007
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:05,700
DOD and and OU SDI it'd just be

1008
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,280
something a bit bit better I think but

1009
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,560
again even if Arrow just moves out from

1010
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:12,720
our usdi I think that's a big move that

1011
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,300
would be beneficial as far as getting

1012
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:17,640
information out to the public but it's

1013
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:18,900
going to be a long drawn out process

1014
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:20,819
whatever happens so again keep my

1015
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:23,700
expectations low and just wait and see I

1016
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,099
like hearing all these positive things

1017
00:43:31,329 --> 00:43:28,800
from people like Ross and Gary Allan and

1018
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:31,339
James Fox but

1019
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,260
why do you think they say it

1020
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,140
at all at the same time like is it seems

1021
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:40,079
orchestrated you know

1022
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,119
and it's very easy to get caught up in

1023
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,680
like it's got to be true it's coming

1024
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,200
from from the all these people I hear

1025
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:48,079
similar things but I'm not one to shout

1026
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:49,980
something's coming something's coming

1027
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,339
it's not my my style but sure

1028
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:55,500
I hope they're right that's all I'll say

1029
00:44:02,329 --> 00:43:57,980
I just hope they're right you know

1030
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:02,339
what kind of evidence do you think would

1031
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,119
um prove to the majority of mankind who

1032
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,880
doesn't pay attention to this topic what

1033
00:44:11,809 --> 00:44:10,079
kind of evidence do you think it would

1034
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:11,819
take to prove to them

1035
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,780
that there's something going on and they

1036
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:17,160
should pay attention

1037
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,140
yeah that conversation is

1038
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,359
changed a lot in recent times because it

1039
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,520
used to be we just need to see a HD

1040
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:25,760
photo or video show us the videos

1041
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,220
nowadays it's got a lot more

1042
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:30,960
the conversation has gone more down the

1043
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:33,780
road of corroborating data that goes

1044
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:36,119
alongside any video or photograph and

1045
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,500
when I when I see people online who you

1046
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:42,000
know may follow the subject but they're

1047
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:45,000
not into it deeply or like all they seem

1048
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:46,859
to want to see is photos and videos and

1049
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:49,079
then you get the people on UFO Twitter

1050
00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:52,619
and that who who are asking for more so

1051
00:44:57,050 --> 00:44:55,020
I think it comes down like for me it

1052
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:57,060
would be data it would be a lot more

1053
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,680
than just a photo or video but you might

1054
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,180
ask the next person and they want the

1055
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:02,280
photo and video so I can't speak for

1056
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,960
everybody so I think it differs

1057
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:06,480
depending on who you ask yeah for you it

1058
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,660
would be uh data like and I agree with

1059
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:12,240
you it no matter how cool a video is

1060
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:14,819
especially this day and age in an AI

1061
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,200
generated videos it's going to be

1062
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,240
unbelievable but like you're not going

1063
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:19,680
to be able to confirm something without

1064
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:22,980
data you know from a Galileo project

1065
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:25,619
type of situation so sure I agree with

1066
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:27,900
you and then it just comes uh down to

1067
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:31,500
Translating that data in a manageable

1068
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,800
way a digestible way to the public

1069
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:36,480
absolutely

1070
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:38,160
yeah can I still have a little bit of

1071
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,900
faith that the mainstream media can help

1072
00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:41,520
with that process if it was to come to

1073
00:45:46,750 --> 00:45:44,460
that no you do huh just a little yeah

1074
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:51,230
well I don't know all right moving on no

1075
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,680
um

1076
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:55,440
this is kind of a big question but uh I

1077
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:03,530
what is your like true connection to

1078
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,200
move forward uh with uaps you know like

1079
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:08,880
what

1080
00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:13,200
a like an experience or anything like

1081
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:14,760
that you know so

1082
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:18,660
um my question is what really motivates

1083
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,819
you to do this there's so many different

1084
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:22,020
things you could do there's so many

1085
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:23,339
different things I could do other people

1086
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:26,700
like why UAP

1087
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,140
I think

1088
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:30,780
I mean and I'll answer it quite in a

1089
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,180
deep-ish kind of way ever since my early

1090
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:35,640
20s I just always in my mind was saying

1091
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:36,780
that there's some there's got to be

1092
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:39,300
something else now I wasn't relating

1093
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,940
that to a non-human intelligence or even

1094
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,980
anything related to the UFO subject but

1095
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:45,960
summing in in me was always like there's

1096
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:48,780
something more to life there's something

1097
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:51,000
more to work in a nine to five there's

1098
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:53,400
there's got to be something more and

1099
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:56,220
when it comes to this subject which

1100
00:47:02,450 --> 00:46:58,740
could potentially be the biggest story

1101
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:02,460
ever in the history of mankind and

1102
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:05,339
I guess to be involved in something like

1103
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:07,740
that if it were to

1104
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,900
if we were to get disclosure in our

1105
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,180
lifetimes to play a part even a small

1106
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,880
part in that process would just feel

1107
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:17,520
like I found the answer to what I was

1108
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:20,460
looking for years ago that what what it

1109
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,220
what is it all about you know yeah if

1110
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,800
that makes sense no it totally makes

1111
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,960
sense I guess that you know the one

1112
00:47:32,569 --> 00:47:29,760
thing that I get hung up on sometimes

1113
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,579
and I'm sure you do too is uh you know

1114
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,520
what if it's all just [\h__\h] and are

1115
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:37,920
are we just spinning our Wheels working

1116
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:40,740
on something that you know isn't even

1117
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:43,380
real and we're fooling ourselves you

1118
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:44,760
know do you ever

1119
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,260
you know find yourself Talking

1120
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:48,480
negatively you know in your head that

1121
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,859
way and how do you get through that

1122
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:51,839
because at the end of the day no matter

1123
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,420
what we get to at the end whether it is

1124
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:57,119
real or whether it's not I've had a good

1125
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,440
time doing it and I've met some

1126
00:48:02,329 --> 00:48:00,540
incredible lifelong friends doing it so

1127
00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:02,339
there you go it's a win-win in my book

1128
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,079
you know yeah no I agree with you

1129
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:09,359
because yeah I wouldn't have met you I

1130
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:10,619
wouldn't have met other people Jay

1131
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:13,500
everything and it's such an exciting

1132
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:16,140
topic no matter what happens even if

1133
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,180
like it was the worst case scenario and

1134
00:48:22,569 --> 00:48:20,400
we're all being brainwashed that's still

1135
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:22,579
one hell of a story

1136
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:26,819
100 man absolutely you know whether it

1137
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,640
turns out to be an advanced technology

1138
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:32,640
that mankind created and was hidden

1139
00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:36,180
that's exciting yeah um is it a huge Psy

1140
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,190
I mean come on that's incredible Kudos

1141
00:48:58,030 --> 00:48:47,819
maybe you'll be the ufologist of the

1142
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:02,150
flag saucers said phase of atomic energy

1143
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,260
experiment

1144
00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:06,780
one scientist says people are not just

1145
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,020
seeing things discs exist

1146
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:13,200
Washington official denies connection

1147
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,380
Los Angeles July 5th the Evening Herald

1148
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,020
and express quote an unnamed a scientist

1149
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,240
and nuclear physics a California

1150
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,000
Institute of Technology today is

1151
00:49:28,609 --> 00:49:26,460
suggesting that transmutation of atomic

1152
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,619
energy experiments might be responsible

1153
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:30,960
for the flying saucers

1154
00:49:35,690 --> 00:49:33,420
the newspaper described him as a

1155
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,700
researcher on the Manhattan Atomic

1156
00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:37,980
project and said he asked that his name

1157
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:40,560
be withheld it quoted him

1158
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,740
these saucers so-called are capable of

1159
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:45,599
high speeds but can be controlled from

1160
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:48,660
the ground they're 20 feet in with

1161
00:49:54,589 --> 00:49:51,000
the center and are partially rocket

1162
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:54,599
propelled on the takeoff

1163
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,280
the paper said such experiments are

1164
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:58,200
being conducted at murak try Lake

1165
00:50:02,569 --> 00:49:59,700
California White Sands New Mexico

1166
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:02,579
Portland Oregon and elsewhere it further

1167
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:04,500
quoted the scientist people are not

1168
00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:07,020
seeing things such flag discs actually

1169
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:09,780
are inexperimental existence

1170
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:13,260
in Chicago Dr Harold Yuri Adam a

1171
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,060
scientist at the University of Chicago

1172
00:50:20,210 --> 00:50:18,060
commented transmutation of atomic energy

1173
00:50:23,410 --> 00:50:20,220
sounds like gibberish

1174
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,420
you can't transmute Metals not energy

1175
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:25,680
an official of the atomic energy

1176
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,420
Commission in Washington said it was

1177
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:30,240
conducting no such experiments as

1178
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,490
he added that the commission did not

1179
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:39,540
understand what the scientists meant by

1180
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,180
transmutation of atomic energy

1181
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:43,920
the flag saucers the Washington

1182
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,099
officials said couldn't conceivably be

1183
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:49,800
anything to do with us the Army Air

1184
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,819
Forces

1185
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:52,800
has a contract with the commission for

1186
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:54,540
experiments on the possible use of

1187
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:56,280
atomic energy for the propulsion of

1188
00:51:02,930 --> 00:50:58,859
aircraft denoted with the work to be

1189
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:04,790
but this project he added is still

1190
00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:07,500
purely in the design stage an official

1191
00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:09,660
of the Johns Hopkins Applied Physics

1192
00:51:14,329 --> 00:51:11,660
laboratory at Silver Spring Maryland

1193
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,339
which is done considerable research for

1194
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:16,559
the government told a reporter that the

1195
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:19,859
scientists had no idea what the flying

1196
00:51:26,690 --> 00:51:23,520
saucers might be military planes held

1197
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,700
ready to chase speeding objects military

1198
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,099
planes and at least two sections of the

1199
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:31,440
country were held in Readiness today to

1200
00:51:35,569 --> 00:51:33,960
chase flying saucers in an attempt to

1201
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:35,579
end the mystery over the speeding

1202
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,319
objects reported seen in 33 States a

1203
00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:42,960
p-80 jet plane was waiting at mirac Army

1204
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,300
Airfield in murak California to pursue

1205
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:47,760
any saucers in that area

1206
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,520
6p 51s were in Readiness at Portland

1207
00:51:55,569 --> 00:51:53,040
Oregon where scores of the mystery discs

1208
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,579
have been reported in the past two weeks

1209
00:52:00,910 --> 00:51:57,900
photographic equipment was being added

1210
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:00,920
to the p-51s

1211
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:04,319
okay so this one is really strange this

1212
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:08,160
was in a newspaper

1213
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:11,940
hear and see tonight at 7 30 PM Reverend

1214
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:15,300
jagner's magnificent 90-minute film

1215
00:52:20,349 --> 00:52:17,640
God's Atomic power

1216
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:20,359
filmed in sound in gorgeous color

1217
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:23,940
superior to Technicolor Sunday night 7

1218
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:29,569
one of America's greatest preachers with

1219
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:32,940
his world famous sermon how flag saucers

1220
00:52:36,609 --> 00:52:35,880
are kidnapping human beings from the

1221
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:36,619
earth

1222
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,000
documented proof from government sources

1223
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:41,040
that flying saucers exist

1224
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:43,140
positive proof that there are little men

1225
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:47,160
in flag saucers little men from 6 inches

1226
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,220
to 30 inches in height names and

1227
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:53,040
addresses of people kidnapped by flank

1228
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:56,280
saucers not a fantastic message

1229
00:53:02,809 --> 00:52:58,920
based on 10 years of scientific and

1230
00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:02,819
biblical research so here Reverend H.R

1231
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,599
Bagwell Sunday morning at 11 A.M

1232
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:09,839
what you can do by faith

1233
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,569
that guy is a son of a gun

1234
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,480
people putting the boot to disclosure

1235
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:23,160
because they think

1236
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:26,520
that these aliens are devils

1237
00:53:34,190 --> 00:53:32,809
all started with this guy if you were

1238
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:34,200
wondering

1239
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:36,059
the whole devil thing started with

1240
00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,690
I'm not really sure if it started with

1241
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,500
him but I thought that's interesting you

1242
00:53:47,809 --> 00:53:45,839
run into such

1243
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,819
odd things

1244
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,280
you know when you're when you're

1245
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:53,040
research and even a blue book files but

1246
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:54,900
the newspaper things too like because

1247
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:56,460
you're just searching keywords and

1248
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,200
prompting these search engines you know

1249
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,240
and it finds some bizarre stuff

1250
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,980
sometimes and and that one took the cake

1251
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:04,200
so I had to share that

1252
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:06,200
foreign

1253
00:54:14,410 --> 00:54:22,990
[Music]

1254
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,849
copies of this letter of transmittal are

1255
00:54:31,549 --> 00:54:28,440
being sent to headquarters 18th Air

1256
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:31,559
Force Intel and Tack Intel to indicate

1257
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,260
disposition this office has not made any

1258
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:36,720
public statements relative to this or

1259
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:39,260
other observations we are being

1260
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:41,700
overwhelmed with calls from local

1261
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:44,520
citizens reporting observations a visit

1262
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,740
was made by me to the U.S weather office

1263
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:49,440
Miami International Airport where

1264
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:51,900
complete data on color type and schedule

1265
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,839
of balloon release has been obtained all

1266
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:56,880
reports have been evaluated in the light

1267
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,579
of the data and we're relatively sure of

1268
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:01,200
correlation

1269
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:04,500
we have dismissed some reports as such

1270
00:55:09,290 --> 00:55:07,140
one striking factor is reported in

1271
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,300
almost every observation regarding the

1272
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:11,460
nature of motion

1273
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:14,280
is no power source indicated

1274
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:17,460
which would lead one to believe rather

1275
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:19,619
than internal propulsion that the object

1276
00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:22,140
operates on a reaction power principle

1277
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:25,500
such as a magnetic force on metallic

1278
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,720
objects you know how a magnet repels

1279
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:29,640
like a pole and another magnet and

1280
00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:32,280
attracts the opposite Pole

1281
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:34,619
I did not mean to imply that these

1282
00:55:40,849 --> 00:55:37,500
sightings are of metal nor that they

1283
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:40,859
operate on a magnetic principle for I am

1284
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:42,300
no physicist

1285
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:44,520
and I don't know what type of external

1286
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,619
forces could be applied in light

1287
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:48,540
magnetic

1288
00:55:52,609 --> 00:55:50,819
Etc well anyway good luck to you folks

1289
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:52,619
up there in the study of diesel reports

1290
00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:54,180
thanks for your phone number and we'll

1291
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:55,859
ring you should anything come up with

1292
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,800
special significance in the meantime we

1293
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,480
will continue to strive for factual

1294
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:02,400
reporting in the proper procedures

1295
00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:05,880
sincerely major Freight PS

1296
00:56:11,809 --> 00:56:08,339
the film is obviously not been well

1297
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,819
processed their scratches Etc as soon as

1298
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:13,680
I checked to see that the image was on

1299
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,900
the film I sailed it up to keep dust

1300
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:18,000
scratches moisture and fingerprints off

1301
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:20,099
of it as you can see on enclosure number

1302
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:22,380
one the image will be difficult to see

1303
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:25,260
the 16 millimeter film the image is

1304
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:27,540
present only up to the red mark in the

1305
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:31,020
first three feet The Observer is sincere

1306
00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:33,900
though a little emotional on the light

1307
00:56:38,510 --> 00:56:35,339
up publicity

1308
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:38,520
in several others show indications of a

1309
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:40,740
mild shock reaction to the sighting of

1310
00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:43,260
this phenomena the onion Marine

1311
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:46,700
Personnel here have been most cordial

1312
00:57:25,970 --> 00:56:50,350
and Cooperative with this office

1313
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,730
[Music]

1314
00:59:07,360 --> 00:57:50,000
thank you

1315
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:20,030
[Music]

1316
00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:22,020
thank you

1317
01:00:11,410 --> 00:59:24,150
foreign

1318
01:00:12,610 --> 01:00:11,420
[Music]

1319
01:01:01,089 --> 01:00:12,620
thank you

1320
01:01:04,609 --> 01:01:01,099
[Music]

1321
01:01:04,619 --> 01:01:13,330
foreign

1322
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:25,930
[Music]

1323
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:38,340
foreign

1324
01:01:51,710 --> 01:02:27,770
[Music]

1325
01:02:27,780 --> 01:03:09,950
foreign

1326
01:03:15,049 --> 01:03:13,069
that but like I mean I might I might now

1327
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:15,059
I don't know I'm not sure I

1328
01:03:19,069 --> 01:03:16,319
would say there's nothing

1329
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:19,079
extraterrestrial involved with

1330
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:20,220
it but

1331
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:21,660
not to say that that couldn't be a

1332
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:29,510
my initial take on this is that it is

1333
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,900
very likely a drone based phenomena what

1334
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:35,839
on Earth

1335
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:37,799
oh

1336
01:04:59,930 --> 01:03:40,680
what did I just freaking see dude what

1337
01:04:59,940 --> 01:05:33,589
foreign

1338
01:05:43,130 --> 01:05:35,569
thank you

1339
01:06:05,530 --> 01:06:02,390
there's another one

1340
01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:14,210
holy [\h__\h]

1341
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:17,210
there was like four of them oh really

1342
01:06:47,809 --> 01:06:30,170
right there oh yeah wow that's like the

1343
01:06:47,819 --> 01:07:04,490
come on over buddy

1344
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:08,870
oh

1345
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:20,690
I see it

1346
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:28,430
what the hell

1347
01:07:28,440 --> 01:08:10,309
no they I don't know what these are

1348
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,370
oh there it is

1349
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:15,839
wow like change colors it's not even

1350
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:29,450
you were kidding

1351
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,130
what the hell

1352
01:08:36,849 --> 01:08:33,679
doesn't look like the thing that I saw

1353
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:36,859
dropped straight down

1354
01:08:56,209 --> 01:08:53,329
hey thanks for watching I hope you

1355
01:08:59,150 --> 01:08:56,219
enjoyed this episode of witness citizen

1356
01:09:02,030 --> 01:08:59,160
uh UAP news

1357
01:09:04,669 --> 01:09:02,040
um go find Vinnie go find Disclosure

1358
01:09:06,349 --> 01:09:04,679
team his channel uh on YouTube and his

1359
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:06,359
Twitter and all that follow him like all

1360
01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:09,420
his stuff and like this video subscribe

1361
01:09:16,729 --> 01:09:15,020
all that fun stuff and until next time

1362
01:09:21,050 --> 01:09:16,739
thing

1363
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,060
it's like my mind makes a real place of

1364
01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:25,910
even if I take half off the landscape

1365
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:28,140
leave it alone for an hour

1366
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:29,819
come back and make it sweet and sound

1367
01:09:38,150 --> 01:09:33,480
hold your breath for the rest of us

1368
01:09:42,010 --> 01:09:39,610
right

1369
01:09:44,349 --> 01:09:42,020
make it mine

1370
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,359
Let It Die

1371
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:46,640
give it time

1372
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,110
towards the hour of rigorous trust

1373
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,060
enough touch and space dust solely here

1374
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,040
for a chip on the shoulder now backing

1375
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:01,920
down to gain some commotion going rather

1376
01:10:06,490 --> 01:10:04,679
than our first star in the Wetland it

1377
01:10:12,729 --> 01:10:06,500
seems to get so rough

1378
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,070
Let It Die

1379
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:17,360
give it time

1380
01:10:29,689 --> 01:10:19,320
let it rise

1381
01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:29,699
[Music]

1382
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:30,630
and make you cry

1383
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:46,780
foreign

1384
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:53,770
[Music]

1385
01:11:00,649 --> 01:10:56,990
fiction headed down for so long it's a

1386
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,659
given a name to reset the living yeah it

1387
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,640
thinks it's an honor to meet you just

1388
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:04,640
give a brief description of what you do

1389
01:11:11,470 --> 01:11:07,260
let it die give it time let it rise and

1390
01:11:16,209 --> 01:11:13,750
give it time

1391
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,219
let it ride

1392
01:11:23,229 --> 01:11:18,560
make it mine

1393
01:11:28,090 --> 01:11:26,090
let it rise

1394
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,100
get mine

1395
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,320
Let It Die

1396
01:11:37,390 --> 01:11:32,719
give it time

1397
01:11:51,370 --> 01:11:37,400
let it rise and make it mine

1398
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:51,380
[Music]

1399
01:12:00,970 --> 01:11:59,090
but that

1400
01:12:05,709 --> 01:12:00,980
every time

1401
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,270
Let It Die

1402
01:12:21,229 --> 01:12:10,620
give it time

1403
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:23,810
and all types of different civilians who

1404
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:33,610
examined in this study